7th Street Building to be Demolished
Members of the Midtown SPI-16 & SPI-17 Development Review Committee have expressed frustration over not being better equipped in preventing building owners from allowing Midtown structures to fall in disrepair.
See the accompanying video about the impending demolishing of a former residential building on 7th Street and how it relates to Midtown's architectural fabric.
J. H.
7:10 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Midtown should be concerned about places like the Flex gay bathhouse at 76 4th St. That's a place that needs demolished.
J. H.
7:10 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
If midtown wants to demolish something. They should demolish the Flex Gay Bathhouse at 76 4th street.
Tim
8:41 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
If you don't like it stop going there.
Drewboo
12:59 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Why do you feel the need to describe a building needing demolished as housing a gay business? What does the business tenant have to do with the building's state of repair or disrepair?
Mick
5:10 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Functional business, not an empty building in the middle of prime retail space. Don't be a moron just because you're not into it. (Although it seems like you're a little TOO into it.)
Just Jack
8:24 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
This is ridiculous. Novare must be stopped! First that monstrosity of a parking deck at Skyhouse (horrible even by Novare standards) and now this. This building has decent bones and at least some semblance of architectural character. Midtown residents must do everything to stop this from happening before we get another awful parking deck like the one they built earlier this year on Spring St. (yuck).
KamdenATL
9:42 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
This is a shame... I thought the original plan for Viewpoint called for that building to be renovated and integrated into the development. What is going to go in its place? A shoddy parking deck? Meh...
Thrill
9:58 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
This place has been tried to be saved. No one wanted it. It was a sore sight and a place for homeless and crime. Novare had designated parking spaces in the Viewpoint garage for residents in the building and no one wanted to buy it or develop it, they tried for years. If you cared about this place, you would have tried to build it or preserve it or made an issue of it not being used earlier.It is not until someone wants to demolish the eye sores do you speak out. Have you seen the plans? Do you know what is going in the place? I have, it is a significant improvement than a crack house that is there now. Also, why call out Flex? They pay taxes. Why not call out the Peachtree Pines homeless shelter that does not pay taxes and owes hundreds of thousands of dollars in utilities to the city. Oh yeah, they make no effort to rehabilitate, find appropriate support or clean up the dump the residents create. Do you think Flex is worse for activity that you can not see?
Clicker
1:28 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
The only thing architecturally significant about that apartment building is the entrance and cartouche above it. That hardly makes it worth saving. The place was a dump back in the 80's when I had a friend that lived there. Lord knows what the inside is like now.
Chesley
10:48 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Having lived in this building it is very sad to see it go. It was designed by local architect Joseph Neel Reid so another piece of Atlanta history is being destroyed.
Tim
8:46 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
It has always been Novare's plan to demo this building. They have never acted in good faith in attempts to save it, nor did they attempt to protect it from further decay. The original plans to renovate it into higher end rental was never supported by corporate even before the bust. I am not sure it is a hugely significant historical building, but it certainly is a magnitude better than the mass produced parking garage looking stuff Novare has built and is planning. I do like the smaller warmer scale of this building, but I also understand that Novare has no plans to sell it as long as they can demo it and make more money with something else, that is how this works.
Urbanist
9:13 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Novare won't be stopped because the market in Atlanta doesn't demand that they will. There are a few small voices that recognize their product for what it is - the suburbanites ideal of what city architecture and living is all about. They'll build their typical bland tower, cutting corners as far as they possibly can, and they'll lease it up to all the transplants from Kennesaw and Macon who just moved to the "big city" and "got themselves a condo in a fancy new building". They'll destroy the economic viability of large swaths of land with above-ground, highly visible parking structures, because whoever it is that is approving these development plans has zero credibility when it comes to urban design. It's this way, because that's what type of resident rules the majority around here.
Clicker
5:37 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Smugness is intact I see. Where were you born, and where did you live before gracing our fair city? I'm oh so curious.
AlwaysGettingBetter
9:26 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I'm loathe to do so...but I must say "Thrill" makes some good points.
AlwaysGettingBetter
9:29 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
What's the easiest way to get a tour of the new development in midtown and downtown -- you know, the good, the bad, the ugly?
I need to get out more.
Arch Kares
10:41 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
AlwaysGettingBetter - take some Atlanta Preservation Center tours. As for the swag across the door, could that be donated to the Atlanta Preservation Center?
ChadK
12:13 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I have to say I don't really care about this building... although I am for saving the Crum and Forster. Case by Case basis I suppose.
What really ticks me off is that Novare owns this entire block (with the exception of the Starbucks on 7th and Peachtree), so can't they figure out:
A. How to keep the parking in the center and build out all 4 sides of this block?
B. Interlock the structures so not to leave gaping holes along 6th street (can be seen here http://midtown.patch.com/articles/novare-tower-will-have-active-uses-along-entirety-of-juniper#photo-10274757)
Urbanist
2:45 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Of course they could, but "could they" and "do they want to" are two separate questions entirely. Could Novare continue to build profitable buildings that don't all look like mirror images of each other? Sure. Could Novare build buildings that don't have paper-thin walls, cheap finishes, and a very blase aesthetic? Sure. Do they want to, when this market doesn't demand anything more than the banal? Nope.
Drewboo
1:06 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Im sad to see this building go. I enjoy its context in the modernity of Midtown. I walk by this building daily - not sure what the homeless/crackhouse references are to as I have never in the past 3 years seen any homeless hanging out here other than walking by like me. Anyway, its a cute reminder of the town I moved here from, that Atlanta even has some character. I suppose Midtown wants to suburbanize like Gwinnett County with taller buildings. BTW the proposed tower looks hideous!!
JustinK
1:58 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I think you have to go further back to when the building was open prior to the construction of Viewpoint and Backstreet shared the block. Right now it's sealed up minus some broken windows but it looks thoroughly gutted by scavengers.
It would have been nice to see it rehabbed into some high end residential but I suspect it's too far gone and there's no financing for something that small/high end especially in this market.
Adiva
1:23 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Interesting...
http://brookhaven.patch.com/articles/chick-fil-a-flap-not-the-first-time-a-company-has-run-afoul-of-some-customers#comment_4117957
Mick
5:00 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Adios. Wanna keep crying about sad old insignificant buildings being knocked down? Move to a small town in the middle of nowhere. They have no need for new construction and no eye toward progress. If you want to live in a major city, stop whining when a nothing-building gets ripped down. Your nostalgic attachment doesn't mean much for everybody else.
Andrew 2502
6:00 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Hear Hear !!!
Urbanist
9:20 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Yes, Novare and their banal building blocks are the definition of progress, but the many cities (Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, Boston, etc.) who preserve their low and mid-rise buildings to ensure proper land use, and proper supply control within the market are just a bunch of tiny backwards municipalities...Go back to Dothan.
Andrew McGee
6:01 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I'm not a huge fan of the Novarre buildings, but they are a vehicle for bringing population density into midtown. Perhaps after a critical mass of people live in the area, there will be a demand for higher quality residential high rises? Even a parking deck would be better than that broken down building on 7th Street. Despite the dislike for Novarre, people keep buying and renting their units. This is also increasing the number of tax paying citizens that are contributing to local businesses and giving the Pine St shelter residents someone to beg/rob.
Tim
9:23 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Except that a parking deck, ugly as Novare's are, is for all practical purposes permanent. However, this existing building has many chances to be renovated and add to the character and beauty of the neighborhood. Of course this requires "thinking" outside of the box.
JonC
6:36 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
The building's not a masterpiece - we all understand that. But honestly, how many structures in Atlanta can claim they are? The point is that it was designed by one of Atlanta's most noted early 20th century architects, and it adds nicely to the texture of Midtown, even in its current shabby condition. And lest anyone think it's coming down to be replaced by residential density check out the site plan for 100 6th Street - this building's not in the way. Keep chipping away at what we do have left building-wise, and Midtown's destined for the charming look of the Lenox Square area.
Andrew McGee
7:54 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
"Wow, I really love midtown Atlanta! Especially that dilapidated building on 7th Street that must have been designed by a locally noted early 20th century architect!" ...said nobody ever.
JonC
8:55 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
You're right - there's a good chance no one's ever uttered that sentence. Sarcasm's funny isn't it?! However, even someone who knows nothing about architecture or history is apt to appreciate Midtown's mix of old and new. Check out what was done down the street at Cornerstone Village (http://www.cornerstonevillage.net/community.php), where another Neel Reid apartment was integrated into a complex of new residential structures. It's not impossible.
Darin
1:33 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
That Cornerstone Village apartment is one of my favorites. It's a great example of mixing old and new. One of the best things about the Peachtree corridor in Downtown and Midtown is the variation you get in building styles from different periods. The whole history of architecture in the city is represented. It would be a shame to lose that.
Andrew McGee
9:10 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Sarcasm is not funny JonC. "BTW, you need a deeper V tshirt and sassier crewcut in front of tree for a background"...said your new make over stylist.
Drewboo
12:20 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
You really need to try out the "reply" button.
JonC
9:46 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Personal attacks are so unflattering on you...
Andrew McGee
12:57 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Zing accepted.
Brett
9:52 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Hunt, or anyone in the know... When is this building slated to be demolished?
Hunt Archbold
5:51 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I'll look into Brett, thanks.
Tammy
9:09 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Developers in this city seem to always have the upper hand. I think its a shame that Novare was allowed to let this building rot away, especially when they indicated it would be saved.
JustinK
11:12 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Does anyone know why they're tearing it down now? The plans for the new apartment tower/deck seems to align to the edge Viewpoint which would suggest there's no reason to demolish it to allow construction. The plans even show the building in place. Unless it's b/c they're breaking out the bulldozer and it's just cheaper to keep going.
Jim in Atl
11:15 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Unfortunately, there is no trigger on refurbishment of these buildings or a timeline for putting them back into active use when the developer agrees to "preserve" them.
Developers often intentionally and wilfully allow these beautiful buildings to waste away, fail to undertake any maintenance and choose not to put the buildings into ANY sort of active use. Then, after the buildings are in grave disrepair and the developers are ready to implement their real plan - demolition - they claim it is "too expensive" and "not financially feasible" to rehabilitate the very buildings that they had intentionally neglected. You'd be tempted to say penny smart, pound foolish and that it would have been cheaper to maintain these buildings all along, but it was always the developers' intent to skirt the preservation requirement by allowing the buildings to fall in on themselves, become an eyesore, gin up neighborhood complaints about "prostitutes" and "drug users", then plead poor mouth and whine about the exorbitant costs these "old buildings" require - all so that they can erect another unremarkable Coke bottle blue glass box.
JonC
11:39 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Liars: http://www.novaregroup.com/news_08_30_06.html
Also, has anyone head that Starbucks will be demolished as well to make way for apartments - http://nickkahler.tumblr.com/post/37740627273 ?
JustinK
12:28 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
That plan was 6 yrs ago...long before the crash. They also didn't plan on losing the Atlantic to foreclosure (and thought they could get $400/sf). Economics today say there's no money in luxury residences in the price range those would be in especially w/ nothing but a view of SBX & Bulldogs. Look at those massive empty townhouses on Piedmont.
I'm not sure how they could put in an apartment where the SBX is now given anything short of a very narrow highrise would have 10 stories in perpetual darkness of being just north of the Viewpoint deck. Residents would wind up w/ vitamin D deficiencies after a while. Given the constant comedy of people trying to maneuver the SBX lot, I'd venture there's not enough room to do a podium parking deck in that space so it'd have to either build up the Skyhouse deck further or repurpose that lot north of 7th.
The original Viewpoint/Trilogy plans showed 3 towers but w/ the 3rd tower at the N/E corner along Juniper/7th and parking filling in the space between 2 and 3. If they're going for a 3rd tower that'd be the location to put it. I actually wouldn't be against that given it'd probably create the single highest density residential block in the state regardless if there are 2,000 parking spaces included. It'd also leave less space for the deck to spread out and probably kickstart some more retail development.
JonC
11:39 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
*heard
Chris
11:53 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Novare does not own the property and has nothing to do with the demolition. Speak to Loudermilk. Additionally, the economics of renovating the building simply do not work. Yes, capitalism continues to make the world go round.
Hunt Archbold
12:59 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Brett, the demolishing is slated for sometime in January but an exact date is not known.
Bebe Morgan
3:13 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I haven't read all of the posts and may be duplicating a response from someone else. The day will come when buildings like this one are defended with all the effort humans can exert when the effete leadership at the Atlanta Preservation Center is replaced with people who will fight for these buildings.
clancey
5:03 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
They started tearing it down today...
Dan Armstrong
2:10 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
Please leave the METROPOLIS condos from Novare out of the "dissed" as this is their finest and my home. regards
Bryan
1:26 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012
OMG, I'm so glad that building is gone. People think we should saze every building that is old! I guess we should have saved all the barns and farm houses in areas where there are now subdivisions and strip malls. Give me a break! Now I think there are some buildings that should be saved but everytime someone talks about tearing a building down in Midtown there is a big up roar. Don't you people know 100 years from now when we are all dead and gone they are going to be doing the same thing about certain buildings we are doing today. Some will need to be kept but most will need to be torn down and the area rebuilt. It's called the cycle of life!!
Dookie Doo
10:40 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012
This is the reason Atlanta will always be inferior to Boston and NYC. I noticed that people in the south lack the intelletual capacity to understand the preserving history. Or maybe it's because people in the south are used to having their cities torn or burned down like back in the civil war days. LOL dumb rednecks........ Thank god for General Sherman.....
Bryan
10:55 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
@ Dookie Doo
You are right Atlanta will never be Boston or NYC. Those cities were built up in a completely different time in a completely different mannor. If you are a true Atlantan (by birth or by just living here) then you would want Atlanta to have it's own identity. And it's fully because those cities are tearing town old buildings all the time but because there are much more of them to go around there isn't an issue. I like living in a modern city. I don't want to go around a see a bunch of old renovated buildings. You want the new on the inside but have the city look old from the outside? I live seeing new modern towers and buildings. I like my new city. If those that were building NYC and Boston were into "preserving history" you wouldn't have those cites the way they are today. You don't think they had to tear down areas to rebuild. Look at the WTC site; that was a bunch of low rise older buildings that they tore down to create that site for the twin towers. Look at Boston when they had to tear down hundreds of buildings for the elevated highway they once had downtown. You don't hear anyone talking about preservation. Now Boston has a completely new interstate and with taking the elevated interstate down can now rebuild those areas. And we all know why there is being a new WTC built. Point is every city tears down and starts over so we don't need to keep every old building just because it was built in the 1930s and 40s. That's not character.
Don e
11:37 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
All should be ashamed who said they did not care about this building coming down. Atlanta has a love affair with tearing down old buildings. The greatest cities in the USA embrace their old neighbors and give character to their cities. Atlanta just does not seem to get it. Don't blame the developers, place the blame on those who allow this to happen. Shame on the Atlanta city council.
Bryan
11:08 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
First let's define character; per dictionary.com it is the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing. That doesn't give a time frame. That means that everything old doesn't necessarily give a city character. I've never been but look at a city like Dubai. They have a lot of new building that give the city a modern new look. That is that cities character. NYC has a lot of older buidings mixed in with new skyscrapers. That is NYC's character. Keeping every old build just because it is old isn't character. There are pleny of old neighborhoods for ATL to embrace their "old character." Midtown just isn't one of them. Look at downtown and see that there are plenty of older buildings there. But because downtown isn't as favorable as Midtown no one cares. I hate looking at the skylines of cities like Baltimore and Cincinnati that keep these old looking downtowns. ATL's looks new and modern. ATL is a modern, progressive area and just because our streets aren't covered everywhere with a bunch of old buildings doesn't mean ATL doesn't have character. I'm glad we aren't following other cities and doing OUR thang! Those that don't like it go live in those old cities with their old character!
Bryan
11:10 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Sorry for all the gramattical errors
Priscilla
10:48 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
I had the pleasure of living at 109 7th Street back in the mid 80's. At that time two of the units were occupied by successful architects who truly admired the structure and it's details. The building was beautiful and had a character of it's own. It was an expensive building to maintain and the owners at that time were only able to keep it habitable. There were prostitutes on the street out front. They kept an eye on the building when we weren't around an problem saved us a few break-ins. It was a wonderful place to live with it's polished hardwood floors, crown mouldings and plentitude of windows. I hope that whoever commented that it was a "dump even then" has found his chrome and glass home in the burbs. It was a shame that no one could have saved this building,