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Student Accidentally Shoots Herself at Grady High

Police say the 17-year-old student accidentally shot herself in her leg. They confiscated a pink-colored .380-caliber handgun.

 

ATLANTA, GA -- A 17-year-old student shot herself in the upper leg Wednesday morning on the grounds of Grady High School, in what police are calling an accidental shooting.

The shooting occurred on the Grady High School campus in the courtyard outside the buidlings.

Police identified the student as Morgan Tukes. She faces charges of Carrying Weapons within a School Safety Zone, Reckless Conduct, Possession of a Pistol by a Minor and Disruption of a Public School.

In Georgia, 17-year-olds charged with felonies are treated as adults by the court system. However, 17-year-olds cannot legally posess handguns and are referred to as minors in the case of that statute. After receiving medical treatment, Tukes was taken to the Fulton County Jail.

Atlanta police spokesman Carlos Campos said units responded to a shooting call at the school around 9:40 am.

"Preliminary information is that the gunshot was accidental and self-inflicted," Campos said, who added that the student was transported to Grady Hospital in stable condition, and the weapon has been recovered.

"At this time there is no reason to believe there is an active shooter on campus or other injuries to students," Campos said.

Police said they seized a pink colored .380-caliber Taurus handgun.

Around 11:45 a.m., APS released the following statement: "The school immediately moved into crisis management mode, alerting parents and working hand in hand with the APD. Parents were contacted via phone call, text and email, twice, within one hour of the incident. Normal classes will resume at 12:00 noon and normal dismissal procedures will be followed."

Students were given the option to leave for the day and numerours students and parents were observed leaving.

Police had the school's entrance on 10th Street, and 8th Street between Charles Allen Drive and Vedado Way, blocked off until around 11:15 a.m. when parents were allowed in the school. Before such, several parents said they were anxious to hear more details as they waited outside the school.

“I’m afraid, not just for my daughter but because we don’t know who that gun was intended for,’’ said Tara Taylor, who has a senior at Grady. “Was she showing off or was it intended for a person? What was she thinking? Is there someone else waiting in there now and now they see that they can’t get away with it and are just sitting in there? What’s really going on?”

APS school board chairman Rueben McDaniel came upon the scene at about the that time parents were allowed in the school.

“Quite frankly, my stomach sickens every time I hear anything that happens to a child like this. And to me that that’s the first place where the tragedy is – what’s going on with the child or this group of children.”

McDaniel said that he didn’t have all the facts of Wednesday’s incident, but indicated the APS board was committed to continue working on ensuring students’ safety.

“Every time something happens you evaluate more, but after the last incident at Price (Middle School) you lockdown hard. So we’re looking at other things, but we don’t want to have a police-stated school. That’s not what we’re trying to accomplish.”

Last month, a student was shot and a teacher injured at Price Middle School in southeast Atlanta.

Grady High is a school that usually makes headlines for high achievement, including its award-winning debate students, robotics team and student journalists.

See also:

State of the Grady Cluster: Lots Accomplished, Lots to Do
Grady Mock Trial

Team Wins 14th Consecutive Regional Competition

77 Grady High School Students Earned AP Scholar Awards

Six Seniors from Grady High School Named

2013 National Merit Scholarship Finalists

Grady High Named as an AP Honor School

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Aya Turner

11:05 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

The parents need to face consequences too when their "kids" bring weapons to schools ... and she needs to be expelled permanently!

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David E.

11:26 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

After hearing lots of helicopters hovering nearby, I figured something was happening, and went over to find out. Media everywhere, and I arrived as a police rep was talking with the media about the incident. I filmed it on my iPhone for members of our Virginia-Highland neighborhood online community to be able to watch the report, unfiltered. If you're not already signed up for Nextdoor Virginia-Highland (private social network for the neighborhood with 1,029 members and growing), here's the link: https://virginia-highland.nextdoor.com

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Barbara Baggerman

11:46 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Do you have a public link where those who live in Morningside or elsewhere could view your report?

Meinert

11:35 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I cannot think of a single scenario where a high school student, at school during the day, would believe there would be a mortal threat present such that he/she felt compelled to carry a weapon. The shooter therefore must have had an intended target other than herself. Not only is this person 'intellectually compromised' enough to bring a firearm to school, she is also too stupid to know where the gun's safety is. No simpathy from this writer-hope she limps for the rest of her life.

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paul

11:55 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Not one, single, itty bitty scenario? Meinert: not making a call on your quick analysis, or even on the dedictive means of your logic that lead to your absolute conclusion, but did you think that perhaps the perpetrator/victim may have brought a gun to protect against a bully? In some cases I'm sure a bully can be or can be reasonably perceived as a threat to life. Think about it.

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Meinert

12:17 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Paul,
No not one itty bitty one. Not even a bully. A bully can certainly inflict both physical and mental pain--but not a threat to life--while on school property. Let's play out your scenario: Person bullies girl; perhaps he/she pushes or hits the victim. In 'self-defense' the victim pulls a firearm and shoots the bully. The bully either dies or is a vegetable for the rest of his/her life. Is that outcome acceptable to you? Is it a justification to you for her having a gun at school? And lets not even go to the possibility where the victim fires--misses the bully--and tags an innocent bystander. No. Not one single scenario.

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ChadK

10:54 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Paul,
Are you seriously making an excuse for a student to carry a gun to school? "Think about it."??? You are a part of the problem.

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paul

11:47 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

ChadK: please read all of my comments here before leaping to your conclusion. Online opinions allow for too many off-the-cuff, rash, irrational, unfounded, not well thought out opinions. Some people just simply don't take the time to find out the relevant facts before offering what they perceive to be as their valuable opinions. Moreover, online opinions allow for some folks to act uncivil toward others, actions that are opposite of the way they would typically act. With few exceptions, these observations apply to this thread.

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ELguy

11:51 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

no safety on that gun. not something you want to carelessly shove in your pocket.

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ChadK

2:01 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Paul,
Yes... after I read the entire thread I learned that you were being sarcastic. So perhaps I did jump to a conclusion on your original post.

Unfortunately online is not a good place for sarcasm since it doesn't convey very well. Additionally an article about guns in our schools is not the place to be sarcastic in the first place.

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paul

2:35 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

ChadK, what you call sarcasm I call playing the devil's advocate. As you've shown, people are too quick to see this matter as simply black and white. People need to think about their statements, carefully. They don't need to make knee jerk reactions, especially in very serious situations like this. As also shown in this thread, my "sarcastic" example actually has a leg in reality (see post by Jeff & Jennifer Del Bango). I wanted the poster who I responded to to realize that things aren't so simple in life and that there are scenarios that may seem far fetched to him but aren't to others. Some folks scream for reasons why a kid would bring a gun to school: I gave you one.

Additionally, you are correct, online communications don't convey well. That's why you should refrain from being insulted so quickly and quick to insult.

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Granny

3:26 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Is there any possibility that the girl didn't know she was carrying that gun in the pocket of her jacket? Perhaps, someone put that gun in her pocket and she got hurt because she was unaware that she had it there. Perhaps someone put that gun the day before. It could be some other student. It could be anybody that wanted her to be caught with that gun in her pocket.
The inadmissible thing is that the school has not a good control of the entrance of the school. The girl came late and entered the school by an entrance that was not controlled. And that is absolutely unforgivable. No one can enter a school like that.

Anna

11:47 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Why did she have a gun AT ALL?! This story is absurd. I agree 100% with everything Aya, above me, said. Expelled permanently and a long discussion with her parents.

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Jh312

1:19 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Sounds about 16 years too late for a long discussion with her parents. I can't imagine that there's been a lot of "parenting" here in the first place. Where do you think she developed her stellar values system and excellent decision-making ability?

Assault

12:23 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I love how liberals can spin anything - they don't want guns but also don't like bullying but when someone gets caught shooting themselves then maybe they were scared of a bully so buy a gun lmao how convenient... The point is Grady is a bottom of the barrel school and she was probably selling the piece and it discharged when someone was testing the merch ha ha

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Meinert

12:43 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Assault. Grady is in the top twenty high schools in the state.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/georgia/rankings
Republicans can get the facts wrong on anything....

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Henry Batten

1:11 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Perhaps you didn't read the entire article. Near the end was this statement: "Grady High is a school that usually makes headlines for high achievement, including its award-winning debate students, robotics team and student journalists." It is unfair to judge the entire student body on the actions of one irresponsible teen.

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Chris H

4:48 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

@Assault, nice try putting down Grady, but it has better test scores than a lot of the suburban schools. My guess is you don't even live in the city or you would know this. You probably just come on Midtown patch to read about crime and point your finger at Atlanta. We get it, you are a Republican. Please go away.

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Southern Hope

3:43 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Assault, you're acting like an idiot. When that student was arrested at Westminster in October for aggravated sexual battery (and it was a pretty bad case), did you announce Westminster was the bottom of the barrel? Nope, you most likely saw it as a single kid & a single incidence.
Grady is an AMAZING school...you should spend a day there before you speak.

Jh312

12:37 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Wow. This girl is clearly gunning (yes, pun intended) for a Darwin Award. I'm sure we'll get more of an explanation as soon as her parents go on the news blaming the system for their daughter's stupidity. What's the maxiumum sentence for bringing a firearm onto school grounds? Hopefully, the authorities will break from their current policy of "zero accountablility" and make an example of her. I'm sure she can still finish her educuation from prison!

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paul

12:48 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Meinert, you mistook my question as an advocacy. I wasn't taking a stand one way or the other -- just presenting you with a scenario. Assault, you're either an internet troll or diminished somehow b/c your comment was plain silly at best.

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Meinert

1:20 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I'm sorry - I may have taken your statement as advocacy. I just can't get to a place where deadly force is appropriate in the hands of a high school student at school during school hours.

JM Hurricane

1:01 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Settle down everyone it's Parent Career Day at Grady and she was just demonstrating what daddy does for a living.

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Sharon Foster Jones

1:11 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Hurricane and Assault - You are idiots. Grady is an excellent school, and I guarantee you the majority of the kids there have a better understanding of grammar than you do. Ever heard of a comma? My kid goes to Grady, and both his parents are lawyers who do not own guns.

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Kevin

3:30 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I love it when liberals resort to name calling and demonstrating their moral and intellectual superiority to others. It's so cute.

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Grado Nash

4:35 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

we remember now, the lawyers who make so little money their kid is still at free school

Dan Armstrong

1:53 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Sharon Foster Jones is correct....buzz off idiots

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Asa

2:00 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

SFJ,
I think Grady is a great school, but incidents like this one don't help its reputation. My kids will be going there.
I bet her parents are not lawyers and do 'own' a gun...does 'owning' a gun implies that it was obtained legally and not bought on the corner out of a car trunk?

Please excuse my typos and grammar - send from my iPhone and I don't care if there are any....

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Meinert

3:34 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Asa,
so that SFJ does not have to do it..."does 'owning' a gun implies that" should be "does 'owning' a gun imply that " (incorrect verb conjugation), and "send from my iPhone" should be "sent from my iPhone" (incorrect verb tense). Grady will hopefully give your children an adequate understanding of English if they apply themselves. My point is this: you should care about your ability to communicate (1) for yourself and (2) for your example in teaching your children, otherwise they might end up 'axing' people instead of 'asking' them.

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Jh312

5:48 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Meinert, is your arrogance really necessary here? Your bitchy little grammar lesson seriously undermines your previous arguments.

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Meinert

6:48 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I've apologized below Asa. Nonetheless, I stand by the principle that the ability to communicate is among the most valuable skills to have. It frames how (or if) one's message is received. Interestingly, if Asa 'didn't care' if there why did she comment on it. The take-away: How the message is delivered DOES matter.

Jeff & Jennifer Del Bagno

3:13 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Bullies can and do threaten life. While left unsupervised at Inman, our 12 year old Inman honor role student was the victim of a Near Homicide 4-on-1 Assault; requiring a 3hr under the knife corrective surgery; nose broken in 3 places; deviated septum; 95% of sinuses caved in; left w/ only 5% breathing capacity; 3 week recovery; 6 month healing process. Bullying & Threats have continued unabated. No action taken by Inman or APS except to say "we try our best and have Best Practices in place". Flaws in security procedures have also been pointed out to Inman, and cell phone video'ed, but with no lasting corrective action. If anyone else has experienced Inman Bullying issues, or would like us to forward our video of Inman security flaws, please contact us directly.
Sincerely,
Jeff & Jennifer Del Bagno - jdelba7821@aol.com - (404) 861-0194

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Grado Nash

4:34 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

this student was known to carry a gun. fat enough to survive a GSW to the thigh

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Asa

5:05 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Meinert,

SFJ probably didn't do it, because she read 'please excuse my typos and grammar'..

I would like to 'axe' you what didn't you understand about my statement (ability to communicate)? I know the answer - you were distracted giving grammar lessons...what good is that if you can't focus. Look at me, look at me, I know grammar better than Asa! Good job.
Once you finish proof reading what I wrote, come back to this part: that's all I have left is to 'hope' that my kids won't be distracted or negatively affected by these incidents at Grady/Inman while applying themselves.

Would be interesting too see what APS would do with this girl. Hopefully not sweep it under the rug and let her return to school.

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Meinert

6:05 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I apologize. I felt baited and I couldn't resist. Disclaimers sometimes present themselves like excuses. My immigrant parents learned the language.

I have a son at Grady. It's a good school, despite being under the wing of the ineffectual bureaucratic glacier known as APS. I don't believe she will be allowed to return to Grady (based on my experience in another much less severe incident at Grady 2 years ago), and it's likely that she won't be permitted to enroll in any APS school.

Asa

8:46 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Meinert,

I appreciate your last comments! Actually, I am an immigrant - still can't shake off some of the grammar errors (I went to an American public high school...ha-ha!) I am OK with it, since this is my 2nd language.

P.S. There is a typo in your 6:48 pm response...sorry, couldn't resist... :)

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Meinert

7:06 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Good going. Turnabout is fair play. I'm happy to be corrected whenever/where ever.

Jh312

11:34 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Turns out she "didn't know the gun was in her jacket." Of course, this is according to her mother who, in classic modern parenting fashion, sat on the news making excuses for her daughter instead of accepting responsibility. I admit, it's a creative divergence from the usual "holding it for a friend" scenario, but still. Awww. Poor thing. "She just made a mistake. She was planning on going to college blah blah blah." Forgetting your math homework at home is a mistake. Let's just hope some bleeding heart judge (whose children are safely ensconced in private school) doesn't let her off easy.

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Gabe Moses

8:47 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

I can't believe how many people on this thread are calling for the permanent expulsion of this girl and the barring of enrollment in another school- seriously, you all want a child to be forbidden from finishing her education and essentially punished for her mistakes with a lifetime of struggle in a system where the less-educated have virtually no chance of getting ahead? And all without knowing the story behind the incident, or her life leading up to it? That's disgusting.

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Urbanist

9:12 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

She brought a gun to school. She may well have intended to do something terribly dangerous with it, or it could have fallen into somebody else's hands who could have done the same. You think it's ok to send a kid back to school who is a clear threat to other students? Boo-hoo for her lifetime struggle....how about the lack of an opportunity to even struggle for the kid who gets killed because of this degenerate?

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Meinert

10:22 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

She will be able to finish her education at an alternative school. Nonetheless, I hope APS bars her. My son (and children of all Grady parents) does not need to be in the presence of a student who carries a firearm--ever. It's not Grady's or APS's role to nurse this child back to emotional health. That role must be spearheaded by her parents.

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Henry Pistus

4:41 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

she won't be back at Grady. Ever. That's the breaks. BTW, she is a HUGE person, how does one get so overweight so young?

Gabe Moses

9:43 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

It is the responsibility of our adult leaders to find out what her reasons were and work towards solving the problem through positive strategies, not just give up on her and shove her out onto the street. This is the same one-strike-and-you're-out mentality that keeps prison doors revolving- people are given no help to rehabilitate and reintegrate into society, and then you are so shocked when they commit crimes again when they've been left with no other options because no one will hire them. I am an advocate for PEOPLE. I think the only way to make our communities stronger is to invest in people and focus on fixing the larger problems in the system and in society, not throwing people away. By calling a 17-year-old child you know nothing about "a degenerate," you have already dismissed her and stripped her of humanity in your mind. And that is deplorable.

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Meinert

10:32 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Gabe, I must side with Jh312 on this. She is 17, a minor and the responsibility of her parents. I understand and have empathy for those that need a leg up. However I characterize those persons as demonstrating the will to rise above their circumstances and so my efforts to help them are--in my mind--not wasted. On the other hand, I do not feel it necessary to lend a hand to those who demonstrate no effort toward a higher end. For now I put Grady's Annie Oakley in the latter category.

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Urbanist

12:01 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

She endangered the lives of hundreds of other students. That is what is deplorable. Making sure that she doesn't have the opportunity to endanger, or worse, those lives again is priority number one...not making sure this degenerate, with no concern for the safety of others, gets "rehabilitated".

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Robert Atkinson

4:13 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

I'm for giving being understanding when a person makes an honest mistake. But not with a weapon. A bag of weed? Ok, give her a second chance. But a loaded gun? Hell no. Any 5th grader should know that means one strike and you're out. We're lucky this situation didn't have lethal consequences.

Jh312

9:47 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

No Gabe, that is not the responsibility of our leaders. That is her parent's responsibility, and all they've done so far is go on the news and make excuses for her.

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Jeff & Jennifer Del Bagno

10:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Yesterday, Principal Herrema's Inman Middle School was put on a Hard Lock Down at the time of the Grady Incident. A Hard Lock Down is defined as all class room instruction immediately ceasing & all children are to huddle down & seek cover. This was announced over the school's PA system. Our son's class - Ms. Price's Boys Advisory Class - with Coach Derek Hooley supervising, did not adhere to this, nor were they instructed to do so, the class just kept right on going as if nothing happened, while the "supervising" teacher remained huddled over his PC. This is demonstrative of Inman's / APS's consistent & casual indifference to adhere to & comply with even basic APS Policy & Procedures, let alone common sense, especially alarming in light of current events & is directly attributable to any form of APS supervisory review & control over staff work fuctions, coupled with the lack of any accountability or consequences to APS / Davis. There must be a shift from Inman's / APS / Davis's consistent & ineffectual reactive "whack-a-mole", sound bite & cliche filled so called "actions" - to a pro-active & credible "let's do it right every day" approach, coupled with real accountability for all APS personnel. If you have also had issues with Inman's lack of compliance with Georgia Law & APS Policy & Procdures, or your child has been the victim of Bullying, Physical Threats & Violence at Inman please contact us directly.

Jeff & Jennifer Del Bagno, jdelba7821@aol.com, (404) 861-0194

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Asa

10:12 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Gabe,

People who bring guns to school are not going to fix problems in our society - they create them.

Let's start with allowing people who will fix problems in our society (pay high taxes, volunteer, donate, vote in every election and etc. - I am not describing a single socio-economic group) actually finish their education in peace, so they will be able to 'fix problems' (provide for others who don't care) in our society.

My vote is to 'shove her out onto the street' - a choice SHE made at 17, and NOT the awful society.

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Asa

1:28 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

E. Davis, as quoted by AJC: “Our schools were not designed to be fortresses,” he said. “They were designed to be places of learning.”
In my definition a fortress would have a moat with crocodiles or an electric fence - neither of which are at Grady. We got that E. Davis, but how about keeping secure perimeter of buildings??? Those who let her in, should face disciplinary actions also (and make it public within the school, so students are warned). APS, now is your chance to set the precedent in order to minimize the possibility of school intruder in the future that can do much more damage than psychological impact of an idiot shooting herself.
If resource officer is not supervising metal detectors...better be guarding the back door. I would like to know what qualifications an assistant principal has to supervise metal detectors - better have a belt with a mace or a taser on it!!!
P.S. I think I just saw Gabe at the bank - getting $9,000 out to post a bond for Morgan, so he can help her.

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Gabe Moses

3:26 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

I'm not sure what that crack about me is supposed to be. If I had that kind of money, maybe I would. I don't even live in Midtown- I can't afford to. I live in Southwest Atlanta, which everyone on this Patch seems to think is an apocalyptic murder factory, and I typically get my news from the Cascade Patch but if there's a link to an interesting story I'll follow it here, and let me say, the level of racism, classism and straight-up snobbery I see over here is shocking. Over on the "poor side of town," our comments sections are nearly all filled with discussion about how to support each other and rebuild community. Maybe you bougie folks over here could learn something from us.

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Urbanist

5:40 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Hahaha...yes, we're all such bigots because we're angry that there is a steady stream of crime that is perpetrated in Midtown at the hands of YBM's. We're all such terrible people for condemning the individual who brings a deadly weapon into a school, and puts the lives of other non-degenerate kids at risk. Instead, we should support those who make bad decisions, and we should teach them that when they do terribly stupid and dangerous things, that there's a safety net for them, and that punishment isn't the right answer....right Gabe?

Tell you what...you continue to do that in SW Atlanta, and we'll do things our way in Midtown, and we'll see how things progress independently...ok?

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Asa

10:27 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Urbanist,

Amen, brother!!!

Once I start seeing Sweedish grandmothers from Roswell put a string of street robberies together in Midtown, I am going to start looking that way with caution.

Jh312

3:51 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

I wasn't aware that it's racist or classist to demand some basic levels of discipline from parents and students who use a public school system funded by tax dollars. If you have some advice that doesn't demand even more from a group of law-abiding property owners who already fund the lion's share of public education in Atlanta, and whose involvement is responsible for the few success stories in the district, then by all means, enlighten us. If you're going to try and tell me that the 'system' is responsible for a child's success, and that system (us) should try and save every last kid at the expense of many, please save it. Us 'bougie' folk tend to subscribe to a doctrine of personal responsibility.

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Meinert

4:49 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Gabe, it makes no difference in what part of town you live. Responsibility and accountability are important lessons for all youth (and this case the parents as well). There is no classism/racism or snobbery that I can read in these entries, except of course my goofball quip on grammar to the thankfully good-humored Asa. I will support youth, neighbors, and yes, even the 'system' if I can see worth in their endeavors. This is not one of those cases in my opinion.

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Ms.

7:45 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Her dad said he was looking forward to her returning to school. Clearly he is completely delusional, and not understanding the seriousness of what's going on. There's obviously some seriously inadequate parenting going on, and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that she has some sort of deeper mental issue going on, that was never addressed.

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Jh312

10:18 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Ugh. Please don't try and turn stupidity into a disorder for which she's not responsible. These days it seems like every other badly behaved kid gets a free pass because he suffers from...fill in the blank. Then he gets pumped full of the latest pharmaceutical cash cow that really just makes the problem worse. Maybe I'm just old, but isn't it a multi-generational lack of consequences that got us all into this mess in the first place?

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Maye Woodard

10:53 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

If you have the time and energy to dialogue about Morgan Tukes (and your prejudice), why not do something productive with your communication skills?

You can help to address the needs of the children that, whether you like it or not, are part of the Grady cluster. Volunteer your time at Inman or Grady to mentor or tutor a child that has not been blessed with the advantages that your child has. If you make a true connection, only good things will come of it for everyone involved.

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Jh312

8:04 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

Maye, maybe you didn't read all of these posts. Perhaps you're just itching to divert responsibility by throwing the race card in an attempt to end the discussion. We ARE the parents who've been volunteering our butts off since our kids were in Kindergarten. That's why we're all so disgusted when something like this happens. We work hard, raise our kids right and give tons of time to our schools while others, who do none of the above, ruin it for everyone else. I have zero sympathy for people who squander a good opportunity. At 17, you're old enough to make a decision to rise above your circumstances. Tutoring is available for students who need academic help. As for character? At some point that's up to the individual, NOT society. Don't you dare hold the rest of us responsible for this girl's poor decision-making...whether your talking about the gun issue, or the hit-and-run she also just got charged with. If you want to blame someone, blame our government. In the name of keeping a captive audience, they've turned entitlements into a lifestyle instead of the 'leg up' they were originally designed to be. This undoubtedly perpetuates these issues.

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Meinert

10:51 am on Friday, March 1, 2013

Maye,
Do you have a child at Grady? If you did you'd get a bit of the inside scoop from those that know a deeper story: the students. Morgan does seem to have much of a history of or propensity for self-amelioration according to her peers. While I'm a collectivist/liberal believer-in-communities in many ways, I would not waste my time with her ilk until she shows some sort of effort. Furthermore, please lay out an example for us by describing your recent tutoring efforts at Grady.

BTW, race card, shmace card. I would have exactly the same reaction to any other ethnicity with the same history as Morgan's.

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Inman Parent

1:29 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Spoke to GHS student who said she brought gun to have shoot out with 4 other students. They were planning on it. No accident. The 4 others also had guns that day!! The GHS student told me lots of kids bring guns, they just come 5 minutes late when detectors off/no bag search and or use one of many other doors. OMG !!! Are you kidding me!! The GHS student said not kidding.

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Southern Hope

3:38 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Inman Parent, i love grady kids (I have one :) but I wouldn't put stock into these rumors....i've been hearing amazing rumors over the past 24 hours from even the most level-headed kids at the school....they really don't know what they're talking about (btw, no different than I was at 15 at the private school that I attended).

Jennifer

3:10 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Ugh, I can't believe I live in the Grady cluster amongst all of these commenters. Gabe and Maye, I apologize, and please understand that we're not all like these people.

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Jennifer

3:53 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Seth, your comments make my point better than I did. Thanks for "speaking" for me.

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Jh312

4:07 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jennifer, what's really embarrassing is that APS would rather hide behind a politically correct veneer than have an honest discussion about the problems that plague our district. It's all about appearances. Take Inman, for example. Davis has sidestepped logical solutions to overcrowding in order to maintain a demographic 'balance' that allows them to keep their Title I status. This makes it 'appear' as if APS is doing a good job of educating impoverished minorities. It's a similar scenario at Jackson High School. They're trying for IB curriculum at a school where a large chunk of the students won't even be eligible to participate. The school (and the district) would be better served by an amazing vocational program...but putting a vocational program in a less affluent area doesn't 'look' as good, right? Some sort of underlying prejudice is inferred when it's really just common sense. What's REALLY embarrassing is that APS is far more concerned with maintaining its own flimsy reputation than it is with the safety and education of its students.

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Jennifer

4:39 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jh312, what would be really embarrassing for APS is if they ignored the logical solution to the overcrowding at Inman Middle, which is to use land APS already owns at DT Howard, in favor of some ridiculous add-to-Inman-Middle-but-let's-not-have-any-outdoor-space-and-eat-lunch-at-9 am proposal put forth by parents who would rather their kids suffer through that than go to school in a certain part of town.

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Jh312

5:15 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jennifer, are you having a conversation with yourself? I never said that adding onto Inman's existing location was the logical solution. Last year, Howard was suggested as another middle school for Hope Hill and Lin. Centennial wanted to go K-8 and had strong community and parental support. BOTH of these ideas were rejected with little to no discussion. It was clearly stated that renovating Howard was cost prohibitive based on several environmental and structural unknowns. Funny how it's suddenly affordable now that it fits Davis's plan for a 6th grade academy. Centennial's proposal was simply shot down as being unrealistic (though somehow numerous charter schools handle the K-8 model just fine). The real reason for rejecting both of these ideas became evident at several of the Inman meetings, and I've already stated it above.

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Jennifer

5:25 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

It was not clearly stated that DT Howard was cost-prohibitive. Actually, Davis said that while it was costly, the funds were certainly available. And unless you're a Centennial parent, I would let them speak for themselves. But you're right that the real reasons some Inman Middle Capacity Task Force members rejected these solution was evident at the meetings.

I thought I was speaking to Mitt.

I thought I was speaking with Mitt.

Gabe Moses

4:14 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

At one point I was going to clarify that my "racism and classism" comment was in reference to various threads on this Patch, not specifically this one, but then a bunch of you came behind me with your explicit racism and classism and made it unnecessary. Let me be clear about one thing: WE ARE NOT ALL BORN WITH THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES TO SUCCEED. People who are born into a cycle of SYSTEMIC poverty rooted in - you guessed it - RACISM AND CLASSISM, do not by any means have the same opportunities as, say, an affluent white kid from the suburbs. Sure, if you're born disadvantaged, maybe you can be one of those one-in-a-million beat-the-odds stories, but that's the point- you have to beat the odds, because they are stacked against you from the jump. You might be able to achieve the same things as the privileged kid, IF you work several times as hard, but you shouldn't have to. When and if we undo the systems of oppression and give everyone a TRULY equal playing field, THEN we will see a reduction in crime and in kids being this troubled. But only then.

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Southern Hope

4:22 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Thank you Gabe. I've been tracking the same pack of kids from pre-school to high school in the public school system. The reality is that kids who don't have anyone to help them with homework & projects, begin to fall behind by 3rd or 4th grade. It's actually kind of heart-breaking to watch...even worse, were kids unlucky to be born into families where there's no interest in their academics. By 6th or 7th grade, most of these kids were acting up...mostly embarassed (i think) because they weren't doing well & didn't want anyone to know. By high school, yes a few kids can crawl back up...amazing teachers at Grady are responsible for that...but most can't. and, yes, you can "blame" the parents....but it doesn't help the kid. It's really sad and not something I would know about had I not seen it happen case-by-case, right in front of me.

Jh312

4:42 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Systemic poverty is caused by elected officials who see a certain population as incapable of doing anything more than accepting a handout; yet, those officials keep getting reelected. I doubt that any of those 'beat the odds' stories involve throwing more money at a kid (or adding a .5 to his GPA like they did when I was in college). Usually, it involves someone (teacher, coach, etc.) who shows the kid the value of discipline and accountability.

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Jennifer

4:55 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Oh, hey, Mitt. Glad to see you've gotten back up, dusted yourself off and resurfaced somewhere other than CPAC. People never get tired of hearing you talk about the 47%.

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Jh312

5:34 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jennifer, you crack me up. You're still having a conversation with yourself. I'm a Libertarian, with the exception my dwindling belief in public education. Let me clarify so you don't have to make up my response for me: I believe that every kid, regardless of their circumstances, has a right to get a basic education. When I say, "every kid," I include my own. As such, when some fool brings a gun to school and threatens my child's educational opportunity, I believe that the fool in question gives up her right to a similar education.

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Jennifer

6:06 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Now, Jh312, you're the one having a conversation with yourself. I actually didn't say anything at all about whether or not a child should be expelled for bringing a gun to school. There's clearly rules and laws in place for that. If that's the only point you were trying to make, then it got lost in the deluge of all the other snark and rank speculation.

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Asa

7:00 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jennifer,

What have you actually said that is constructive as it relates to a fool bringing a gun to school? I'll take constructive criticism even, instead of you slapping your high morals all over this page.

Oh, sorry, I know what your plan is...go hug the world, passing out your cookies and milk, and telling everyone that you are not "like these people". Why don't you start with Morgan and her family...do everyone a favor, make it productive: bring a copy of all comments along. "These people" have actually contributed specific suggestions/steps Morgan and her parents can take in order not to continue to be a drain on our society (I know that is not a priority for you). Yes, yes and yes...you can do some editing, in order for Morgan and her family to be more receptive. I would agree that some comments here (myself included) will cause them to shut down, by pulling big old race card and playing the role of the victim. Plan B (exit strategy), tell them Obama will be right there to help them...that should give you enough time to get out in one piece...but don't lead with with it (sense of false hope doesn't last long).

Let me know how that works out. Trying to combine the best of both sides here. Good luck!

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Jh312

7:40 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jennifer, I was responding to one of Gabe's comments. You would know that if you actually took the time to read an entire conversation instead of just picking apart the pieces that are at odds with your politics.

Southern Hope

4:55 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

JH, i hear what you're saying.....but its really complex. I would be surprised if there are more than just a few folks in the grady/inman district who are taking what you're calling handouts (do you mean welfare?) ...it's more just working poor....and I agree that spending more per student is not the answer. The kids I"ve seen helped as ones that a teacher stepped up for (as you note) but even the superstar teachers can't help more than 2 or 3 kids a year this way...it takes a special teacher & a special kid. Back to the homework thing....my 3 kids are all great at math but I have to trace that almost 100% back to my husband...who's great at math....they didn't inherit it from him...he sat down at the table and helped them night after night. Had I been a single mom, they would have been terrible math students....partly because i'm a terrible math student...and partly because I wouldn't have had time. Anyway, like i say, it's really complicated once you're in the middle of it.

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Asa

4:55 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Good one Gabe,

Thanks for putting 'work several times as hard' and 'shouldn't have to' in the same sentence. I love it!!!

People who built this country weren't 'affluent white kids from the suburbs'...coming to this country (separated from their families at very young age many times) they had five time as bad as 'cycle of systemic poverty' (btw, cry me a river) that you are referring to: no welfare, no free health care, no police protection, no formal education...a lot of them were rejected by Europe. You know what else they didn't have, sense of entitlement...and that in part what made people successful, because they realized that THEY HAD to WORK more than several times as HARD in order to survive.

What does a comparison of the effort to an 'affluent white kids from the suburbs' does?!?!...it SUFFOCATES your effort, as you are busy sitting and complaining how it is not fare.

P.S. Wasting your time reading Karl Marx and Lenin...look where it got Soviet Union to (just in case: it fell apart and people are trying to rebuild using many parts of the capitalistic model...where you have to work very, very hard).

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Jh312

4:56 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Southern Hope, I get it. Why can't these kids be put into an alternative learning environment, as young as possible? If appropriate, they can eventually go back to a mainstream classroom. Why is the administration is so resistant to having any separation when it makes good sense? I know for a fact that classrooms in the SE cluster (and increasingly at Inman) are being held hostage by kids with severe disciplinary issues. After a long song and dance of documentation and multiple layers of red tape, they go right back into the regular class and continue to wreak havoc.

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Jennifer

5:07 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Because that's not called "seperation." It's called segregation.

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Asa

5:51 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jennifer,

Does Challenge Program in APS, AP classes, colleges raising GPA/SATs to be more selective called segregation also?

Enough with high moral theory...it's a theory that is not producing. Call it whatever...segregation, separation...do what will produce results without being afraid that some one will say "it's segregation...bad, bad, bad...because it associated with the horrible chapter in American history".

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Jennifer

6:08 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

When you talk in terms of "these kids" being separated "as young as possible," methinks you're operating on a certain set of criteria.

Jh312

5:50 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Thank you for the oh so predictable knee-jerk liberal reaction Jennifer. You're right, I'm BAD BAD PERSON because I want my kid segregated, yes, segregated from the type of kid who brings a firearm to school. While we're at it, let's stop any and all differentiation within the classroom and pretend we're all exactly the same. No more special ed, no more gifted classes, no more special services for Autistic kids. Southern Hope was pointing out that certain children, by virture of being born into certain circumstances, have some additional needs. Fine, let's meet those needs. Let's put them in an environment with special teachers who can address the emotional, disciplinary and academic holes in their world so they can get back to a mainstream classroom as soon as they are able. But maybe you're right, maybe it's better to continue to pretend that these problems don't exist in certain populations. Let's just keep ignoring it, and hope our denial will keep us from being called a racist.

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Jennifer

6:17 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

No, sir, Jh312. You didn't say you wanted your kids separated from the type of kid who brings a firearm to school. Most people would agree with that point. Instead, you asked why can't "these kids" be separated "as young as possible."

So, I guess if APS makes all of these classrooms with special teachers and all the resources necessary to help high poverty children, you'll be completely ok with more of your tax dollars floating that way, right?

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Asa

7:59 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Yes! I will pay more taxes if I had a solid plan that border line guarantees my kid will not be shot on school grounds. Besides intervention as early as possible, my plan would include moats with crocodiles...not in the literal sense, E. Davis, but as in what ever it takes takes to make school a safe learning environment...you are not doing it right now, you are being busy trying not to be too wrong or too right...E. Davis. Show up to the next meeting, that you said to the papers that you would be at (last night at Grady).

Give me that plan and $10 per year in taxes per person straight to the school system...I will be elected Mayor tomorrow (yes, I will need to improve on my communication skills/delivery until then). Love Kasim!

Jh312

7:05 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

Jennifer, if you were actually reading some of these posts instead of simply trying to vilify me, you would realize that "these kids" I was referring to were the kids Southern Hope described in her post. "As young as possible" refers to the concept of early intervention, which is also used to address academic deficiencies and Autism Spectrum Disorders. Serious behavioral issues often present themselves in elementary school. Perhaps you think it's a better strategy to wait until a kid is 17 and commits a felony to address her disciplinary problems?

Jennifer, did you just make a generalization that high poverty automatically equals a disciplinary problem (maybe I should have employed your snarky use of quotation marks there)? I'm fairly certain that there are plenty of poor kids whose parents care about them and instill them with decent values. The program I'm envisioning is specifically for those children who are at-risk from a disciplinary standpoint.

That being said, I suspect that like most government agencies, APS suffers from a level of poor financial management. There is probably some money that can be reallocated. In addition, there are creative ways to galvanize corporate, academic and community support. Once these avenues have been exhausted, I would absolutely accept idea of paying more in taxes for an effective program that, if done properly, would not be needed within a generation (at least according to Gabe).

What else? And P.S. it's Ma'am, not sir.

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Thug Culture

7:56 am on Saturday, March 2, 2013

Atlanta has a serious problem with discipline in schools and it needs to be addressed. How many kids need to suffer for the bad parenting and lack of respect for education from the low SES community? We need help from the state legislature due to the failure of local "leaders".

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Maye Woodard

9:33 am on Saturday, March 2, 2013

Jennifer, I love your comments. You can speak for me on this one!

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Moochelle Obama

11:59 am on Sunday, March 3, 2013

that's why they call her "Big Morgan", morbidly obese. So she fled the hit and run last fall at Mickey D's (after loading up on a half dozen Big Mac's by the looks of her) because she had the gun then too

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APS Parent

11:55 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

And the story continues at Sutton Middle School, where a boy shoots 3 students with an AirSoft gun (available at sporting good stores). The bus driver barely notices anything and the administration takes 3 days to notify parents about the situation and the aggravated assault. What poor leaders we have running APS! Please wake up and help improve the safety of our schools by teaching how to fix it. Price, Grady, Sutton...where next?

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Barbara Baggerman

12:14 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

But Atlanta doesn't have any money to address problems at schools, or hire additional or more competent staff, because football is a far greater priority. We must spend our scarce tax resources on a new stadium so obscenely-paid executives will have state-of-the-art skyboxes. That's what our City Council just told us this week.

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Meinert

3:47 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

@ Barbara,
I wouldn't muddy the problem by comparing the stadium issue with APS problems. The funding comes from different sources (Hotel/Motel taxes vs property taxes). That said, I can see where stakes need to be higher for all involved. For all I've seen (been through elem, middle and currently in high sch.), APS is a top heavy bureaucracy that's more concerned with protecting itself than with moving forward. Let's make the punishments these offenses for both perpetrators, and those who do not treat their stewardships seriously, something that will impact their world significantly. The bus driver should be fired. THe Sutton administration should be demoted or their pay grades should fall. When those that serve our students can lose then they'll take these things seriously.

Jh312

3:33 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

I agree that the stadium is a gross misappropriation of tax dollars, but we already spend a lot on various and often redundant programs to try and reform school children who suffer from a lack of disciplined parenting. How about finding a way to hold parents accountable for their kid's bad behavior? While we're on the subject of obscenely-paid individuals, why not call out the current executive-in-chief at APS, who is far more interested in maintaining a facade than actually doing anything to address behavioral issues all over the city's schools?

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Meinert

3:49 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

No question that $300K+ for an APS bureaucrat is ridiculous.

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